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I thought this was an old argument, but apparently I was wrong. I still hear about it when I'm on forums, both within and outside of DA.

So, according to both slash/het fans and non slash/het fans, there are two different types of Megatrons. There is the Perv Megatron and the "real" Megatron. From what I've been seeing and hearing, I think this probably applies to the Transformers Animated series more than the other TF Universes.

Anyway, when my friends ask me about this argument, I have trouble answering because I have mixed feelings on the issue. Unless you haven't seen my works or some of the TF art I've faved, then you would know I'm a slash/yaoi/boysLOVE fan and Megatron is no exception. Still, I have probably a different viewpoint on the argument then most would guess. Hopefully in this mini-essay, I can explain my view.

To those who are "anti-Perv Megs," I actually agree with you to a certain degree. I actually don't care or even like the "Megatron the Perv" concept at all. I think it destroys his image completely. The Megatron I grew up to love and adore would rather beat Optimus to scrap instead of steal his panties, which robots do not have. I love AutobotV's work - I watch her on DA and she's one of my favorite authors on FanFiction - but I have to strongly disagree with her "Megatron the Perv" series because I highly doubt Megatron is even REMOTELY interested in any bot's non-existent underwear.

Now, as a slasher, I do pair Megatron (any universe) with other male canon characters, but I try to keep him in character as much as possible. For example, I never make him the bottom EVER, with the exception of Lugnut, but that's only because I feel as though Megatron would only ever interface with him if Lugnut were to lose it and rape him. Also, making him bottom for me makes him very OOC. This is Megatron we're talking about, the evil and brutal tyrant that has killed hundreds – maybe more like thousands – of Cybertronians with his bare servos. I highly doubt he would bottom for anyone. He has WAY too much power and pride to be the uke. PERIOD.  

Now, onto what I suppose are the most controversial pairings - Megatron/Starscream and Megatron/Optimus - which are probably two of the most popular slash pairings.

Let's start with Megatron/Starscream relationship. Both make valuable arguments and I will present both in summarized versions.  

The anti-slash argument states this: "Megatron hates Starscream and vice versa, and the tyrant only keeps him as his second command to keep an optic on him so he can't do anything to overthrow him." Well, it's an obvious "DERP!" that the two hate each other. Also, that is true with the whole saying "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."  Now, just speaking G1 here, killing Starscream would most likely have the other seekers - mainly Skywarp and Thundercracker - put him on their hit list. Those three are basically like family, both in fangirl and canon perspective. I highly doubt Megatron wants to lose some of his best air warriors.

The slash argument states this: "Megatron has interesting wordplay with the seeker and if he really wanted to stop him from trying to overpower him, he'd just kill him. But come on - the seeker's still alive after how many threats?!" It is true with the word play; if you listen to what they say to each other and you were to say it yourself with someone else, you can find the innuendos with the lines. Again, speaking for Animated series this time, Starscream's "family" didn't show up until Season 2 and unlike G1, they didn't really have each other's back, so to speak. So, with that being said, yes - it IS a wonder on why Megatron would keep the seeker alive when I'm pretty sure he has other soldiers at hand to be Air Commander. Shockwave would probably make a better SIC than Starscream anyway.

Now, as for my position on this pairing… I don't mind either way. I like both fluff and angst in terms of slash. In the end though, I actually prefer Megatron beating the living shit out of him rather than him "making love" to him, only because I find it when Starscream fails quite amusing, especially in the G1 series. I do write about this pairing and I did make a story about them involving krazifreak's Kittycon concept, but that was an AU. If I were to ever write a fic about them in another universe like Armada or Animated (which I probably will one day), if there is any "slash" to it, it will probably be about how much Starscream hates Megatron because of what he does to him in addition to beating him. I find if Megatron does interface with him, it's more so to humiliate him and degrade him more so than it is because he desires the seeker or because he needs to relieve himself.

The other slash pairing, which is my OTP, is Megatron/Optimus. Now for me, the slash argument is this: "In TFA, Megatron should and could easily overpower little ol' Prime, but it always seems that he fails. In all of the other series, their word play is just too damn hot and steamy to ignore."

The non-slash argument is sweet and simple: "the two of them are ENEMIES and Optimus is with Elita-1, for Primus's sake!"

To address the non-slash argument, I totally see what you're saying. They are enemies and Elita-1 is indeed his mate. Well for me, I don't like Elita and as for being enemies, they remind me of Megatron and Starscream – I love their wordplay, both as enemies and as mates (obviously the mate is the slasher's perspective, but you get my drift). I find Megatron obsessed with killing Optimus, just like the Joker is about killing Batman – it's unhealthy and creepy. Megatron always seems to be dead-set on getting Prime alone and off-lining him for good. Now, as a slasher, I find Megatron wanting to make Optimus suffer before death and what better way do that than with forced interfacing? Also, Megatron and Optimus seem to get along all right once they have a common enemy. That there is like a red flag to slash fans like myself, making me through in the word "love" into their relationship. Again, I like both fluff and angst in regards to this pairing. However, I still refuse to believe that Megatron is out to rape Optimus and steal his panties. No.

Now, some anti-perv people argue that Megatron isn't even remotely interested in even having mate. I have to disagree with this, but only because I highly doubt Megatron was the way he is now. I'm even writing about it in a TFA fic where he had a mate when the war first started to back up my view. People aren't born to behave like tyrants – they're made into ones.

Slashers like to argue than it's FAN art/fiction. It's what they want to happen. Hate to burst the fun fan bubble, but no matter how much the term FAN means, you still have to abide by the rules of whatever fandom you're writing about. Even if you make an AU, you still have to be true to the character's personalities, otherwise it's just insulting. They also argue that Megatron's voice adds to his perv charm. While I must agree that Megatron's voice in TFA is VERY orgasmic, I don't think it attributes to him being a pervert.

All in all, my point of is that in this particular topic on the left-wing Perv supporters and the right-wing Tyrant supporters, I'm pretty moderate leaning more right than left.  I am ALL for the tyrannical Megatron because he is just awesome that way, but I don't mind him being a bit ecchi, but only in the sense of angst or fluff. I'm not for him being perverted and stalking bots to rape them.
My some of my friends asked me about how felt about the Perv Megatron vs. the "Real" Megatron argument. According to them, my view isn't very clear to them.

So... This is pretty much my stance on how I feel about Megatron's character, both in the perv and tyrant aspect of him.

This has been on my mind for a while, but I felt like it was time to give out my perspective, even if I have people who disagree with me. ^^
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PDJ004 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I absolutely agree with you. I would prefer the tyrant Megatron rather than him being a pervert.

I do enjoy looking at :iconautobotv:'s work, and since I like them, I'm not going to be too hard on her. I'm going to be honest, I think the animated version of Megatron is extremely handsome but overall, I can't really see him being a pervert. :hmm: That is definitely out of character for him. Megatron is a tyrannical leader who's only goal is to take over Cybertron and I thought the goal of him taking Optimus Prime and his panties is funny but odd. I like the pairing too but placing this in the Animated version makes it seem out of place. Megatron can be sadistic but I can't see him as a stalker and/or a rapist. I'm sure he'll be able to find someone he can be with though. :shrug: Plus I also agree that Optimus Prime should be with Elita-1.

Unlike the other version of Transformers, this is the first time Megatron doesn't know who Optimus Prime is until the last episode (and to be honest, that frustrates me :rage:). So I figured it would be more unlikely for him to be with Optimus Prime. I see him more likely with Starscream for obvious reasons. The only thing all versions of Transformers have in common is that Optimus Prime and Megatron will try to kill each other until one or both of them end up dead.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Haha, I'm glad. :)

Same. I love the TFA version of Megatron... very sexy. But I am not a fan of her pervert series, though I am still a fan of her works overall. I simply just dislike one of the things she does. Though I do ship TFA Megatron/Optimus (not as hardcore as to though), putting him as a stalker or rapist... No. Not my thing.

Yeah... TFA was kinda blah in terms of the set up, Megatron not even know who Optimus really is with Ultra Magnus as the head honcho. Not to say I hated it, but... It just wasn't the same. :|
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PDJ004 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah I almost forgot Ultra Magnus was the Autobot leader in the Animated version. I thought that was out of place as well. Transformers Animated is fun to watch, and it's one of my favorite versions of the show, but it does have flaws.

I love your fics of Megatron & Optimus Prime. :love: They are fun to read and I read them over and over again. :lol: My favorite ones are the Geishaformers. If I could, I'd read them all day.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It was a good version, but I think all the versions have flaws lol.

Haha, thank you! :blush:
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PDJ004 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
i agree :D and you are very welcome :huggle: :heart:
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severiner Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012
Wow After reading this I believe that my stance is similar to yours.
I like him in character but that does not mean that there can be no slash.
I also like to think that he has some code of honour and as such would not participate in rape.
I have read a number of stories that show this quite well.
I also like to think of him as the Lord High Protector and hence much of his attitude is explained.
From there he is either corrupted by power or trying to do his best for his people without a Prime by his side.
In my opinion the Protector is not meant to be a civilian ruler, he is a warlord and rules the armies.
The Prime is not meant to fight, he is the spiritual heart and civilian leader.

That is just what I believe and can be seen in some of my stories.
I just cannot see him as pure evil, to me such a thing does not exist there are only shades of grey, like in this argument there is no true right or wrong.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you very much for reading this. Glad to know similar views can be made here. :)
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severiner Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012
:D
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DrillBoysGirl Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
I agree. Megatron is a tyrant Decepticon Lord; however, I'm sure he wouldn't mind a mate or a sex-partner.

No matter the tyrant, they have physical needs, but that doesn't make him a pervert.

The word play between both G1 Mega/Star and Animated Mega/Op does lend to something....else....but I honestly don't see how some people put them in the situations they do. It makes no sense for the character.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Exactly. It's not like he's 100 percent sparkless (or lacking a libido).

Lol, it is something else. :)

I'm guilty of that too. ^^; From my perspective, it's just one of those "Because I can" type things. :shrug:
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DrillBoysGirl Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
It can be, I don't doubt.

I'm sure I've made Characters OoC. But when writers do something that doesn't make sense...

I like to imagine my stories as episodes in the series, so if it looks weird in my head between certain episodes; I know I'm getting too OoC.

Course, that could always be just me being weird.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
^^

Yeah, I see what you mean.

Hey - I do that too when I write stories (or at least more serious ones). Nice to see someone uses the same method. ^^
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DrillBoysGirl Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
Yays, someone besides me is weird!!!

I'm not alone! :glomp:
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
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metalcervidae Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I know this was posted a while ago, but I just wanted to say thank you for saying this. I totally agree with you on everything - from Megatron not being after everyone's panties, to how awesome he is as a tyrant, to him never being sub, and to M/OP being OTP.

I've been a Transfan for many years now, but after the hype of 2007 I sort of drifted away from the fandom to other things. I watched the beginning of TFA, and I loved it, but the times kept changing for me and I found myself too lazy to keep up. (Or too lazy to get up so early.) I was surprised a couple years later when I came back after watching all of TFA, and seeing so much work depicting Megatron as a panty stealing pervert. While I prefer my Megatron being IC, I can enjoy the occasional OOC crack comics, but it seemed like everyone was getting into this.

Also, I'm on the same boat with you about M/SS. If Megatron interfaces with Starscream it's all for the humiliation rather than because he thinks he's attractive or loves him or anything. Same sort of thing goes with M/OP. Although Transformers: Prime has lead me into thinking otherwise...
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I'm so sorry for the late reply... I feel kind of bad. ^^;

You're welcome and I'm glad to see you agree with me.

I was kind of like that too for awhile. I kind of drifted away from TF until the third movie came out and I finally began to watch the first season of TFP. The fans sure have changed over the years, but hey - what can you do?

I also enjoy some OOC stuff, but not too much or else I get a bit put off and even annoyed. :/

Yeah... Transformers Prime is quite questioning on the M/OP relationship. ^^
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metalcervidae Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2011  Student Digital Artist
It's all good. I'm slow with replies, too. Well, except for today. XD

Fandoms change; especially big, rabid ones like Transformers that have multiple shows/comics people can get into.

Yeah. When the OOC comics/fics/fan art/whatever outweigh the IC stuff, then it all stops being funny.

<3 I'm loving it. So much. Eeeeeee.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
XD

Yep. Definitely some big changes.

So true. Again, I like OOC stuff, but too much is just enough.

:iconhurrplz: I cannot wait for season two.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"Slashers like to argue than it's FAN art/fiction. It's what they want to happen. Hate to burst the fun fan bubble, but no matter how much the term FAN means, you still have to abide by the rules of whatever fandom you're writing about. Even if you make an AU, you still have to be true to the character's personalities, otherwise it's just insulting."

OMG THANK YOU!!!! FINALLY someone else gets it! If people are going to write about canon characters, they need to keep the characters canon and not arbitrarily change things about them like so many do. I've been a Transformers fan since G1 started and have carefully observed and researched the personalities of the main and periphery characters over several continuities. People can have their romance fics, people can have their slash fics, but for Primus sake keep the characters in canon people! >.< Thank you for posting this, I will be faving this.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Lol, thank you! A person who agrees with me when discussing this! YAY! :D
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL It's good to have those who agree with us, but it is also good to have intelligent debates as well, as long as it does not turn into a childish flame war. >.< **hugs** Again, thank you for posting this.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you for taking the time to reading it! ^_^
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome.
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MissSparkle1 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011
This will sound strange but how did you submit this essay in the black background, white letter format? I have a story in that format on my laptop but haven't figured out how to upload it here, please help?
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
That the very top of the submission, you will see four buttons. The last one on the right will be a big square. Click it and you should have the black background with the white text format. ^^
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MissSparkle1 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011
Ah, okay, thanks.
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MissSparkle1 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011
For me, it sort of depends on the series. For instance in Armada, I always saw Starscream and Megatron's relationship as almost father son. Starscream shows in the series that all he wants is to be acknowledged by Megatron, he tries to kill him after Megatron betrays him. Armada is one of the few series I could pair Megatron and Optimus, I mean, Megatron is actually depressed when Optimus dies and really pleased when Optimus comes back to life.

"I never thought I'd say this, but I'm pleased to see you Optimus"

For G1, well, I'm a big Optimus/Elita fan, so the only Megatron/Optimus I've had has been one sided. But in that fic, Megatron was attracted to Optimus simply because he's the only one physically and mentally strong enough to stand up to him. I mostly make them half brothers rather than lovers.

Since I'm a bigger fan of Starscream/Skyfire in G1, I don't tend to pair Megatron and Starscream but I do have a fic where Megatron wants Starscream, and hurts/rapes/humiliates him all the time. But this is all about power, he has a Mech under his personal control and refuses to give it up for anything which I think fits in with the tyrant theory better than pervy.

I've recently started a TFA fic when Megatron takes Optimus as a mate but Optimus does not fall in love with him. You see that a lot with pervy Megatron fics, Optimus always seems to submit in the end. But Megatron definetly isn't in love with Optimus or pervy on him, he just sees Optimus as a convenient way to have heirs.

So, I'm not a huge fan of Optimus/Megatron because I don't like Optimus being love struck or just submitting after being raped. But I have read some good fics about them, and have an Armada story with them I haven't publishes, so I don't hate them.

I'm fine with Megatron/Starcream generally, and I'll always love that G1 moment where Starscream glomped Megatron, that was a strange moment even for slash haters.


Overall, I portray Megatron differently, by trying to keep to the different series as he is different in all of them while remaining the same. Sometimes I do Megatron/slash, and sometimes Megatron/Femme.

Since sex between robots would have been a bit awkward to write or do TV about, it's impossible to say that Megatron would or would not, but it would certainly make things interesting if they ever do it.

(PS. Rape is not a good way to pair characters together without making them OC, someone who's been raped cannot fall in love with their rapist)
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"someone who's been raped cannot fall in love with their rapist"

Actually that is incorrect. It's a variant on the Stockholm Syndrome where the victim feels empathy or even affection and love for their captor/rapist. It actually happens in real life rather a lot more than people realize. I've seen it happen to a friend of mine. It's a twisted psychological dysfunction and has actually been the subject of at least one movie and several TV shows, including an NCIS episode. So yes, the victim can in fact fall in love with their captor/rapist, especially if the act is perpetuated over a prolonged period of time. And it doesn't need to be a long time, but can happen over a period of weeks.
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MissSparkle1 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011
That's true but what I sort of meant is, you can't use it as a plot device to get too bots together. A bot gets raped and they instantly fall in love, I'm sure that can't happen, at least in most circumstances.

And even if there's love, there must still be hate and disgust for what has happened, meaning it isn't true love.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Not instantly no, but victims can and do genuinely fall in love with their rapist. Like I said, I've seen it happen. It happens in cases of a severely abusive marriage where no matter what the abuser does, the victim believes their abuser does it because they love them and will not turn on or leave them. Again, Stockholm Syndrome. And the victim and rapist don't have to start out together, but the abuser captures their victim and through the prolonged torment convinces the victim they wanted it and that it is love, thus the victim falls in love with their rapist. Do a search on the psychological dysfunction (it is a form of brain washing) and you will see just how real and insidious it really is. It can take as little as days or even hours for the beginning stages to take effect, depending on the people and circumstances involved.

However, it is a rather over used concept in slash fics, and frankly, unless it is correctly written and described, will not earn my interest at all.
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MissSparkle1 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2011
It normally isn't written well, that's what I meant.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, yeah, that's true.
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MissSparkle1 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2011
lol
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shozurei Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011
I tend to agree with you. He's more a tyrant than perv. Though in several of my own stories I've had him rape a bot to prove that he 'owns' them.
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Wildfire724 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, that just gave me a lot to think about lol. I agree with your thoughts as well as :iconnight-stalker13:
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I like both of those pairings even though some things that people write just confuse me. I unfortunately can not remember who wrote this but I read a story where Megatron raped Optimus to get revenge. Optimus was then carrying his sparkling and all he wanted to do was have them both in his life. I like seeing the softer side of characters that are "evil" so to speak. Megatron can't be all evil all the time can he?

How many time has he spared Starscream? Way to many times. I have not written many fics because of the simple fact I do not want to mess up the characters with bad plot lines....(doesn't help that my grammar is bad either.) I also agree if there is no decent background to characters actions, the story lacks that appeal that makes you want to read more. Every person has there own ideas though, and that is what makes art interesting.
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Xobit Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
That would be Unexpected, yes. I am co author of it and its in my Gallery >.> its an AU by the by so it has very little to do with the 'reality' of the canon show.
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shozurei Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011
I think that story is called "Unexpected." You should be able to find it in the :icontransformslash: group.
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Xobit Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Yes, it's also in my Gallery.
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shozurei Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011
Right.
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PurrV Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well I didn't really expect EVERYONE to like my crazy idea XD Sorry ^^;

I respect your opinion, if you don't like it that's cool, but as a twisted slasher that I am, I could not help but take advantage of a few scenes in TFA between Megatron and Optimus! I guess it was my inner dark and twisted Perv that spoke out to me telling me to 'DO IT! I COMMAND YOU' LOL

Honestly I was not expecting it to catch on! I started it cause I saw this drawing of someone's reaction to Megatron holding Optimus as if he was a doll. She drew Megatron dressing Optimus up in a yellow dress and then suddenly turned evil and stripped him. The part that made me laugh was when he was pulling his panties off and...yeah that's what got me inspired. Next thing I knew I was doing more and more of it until everyone was like YEAH! And I enjoyed it myself ^^

Then when I got sick and depressed, with nothing to do since I wasn't allowed to work I started doing my cheesy animated show...and then that lead to an abridged series...and yeah...you get it, it caught on!

I do love Megatron as a Tyrant, but mainly the G1/IDW one. He I cannot turn into a Perv. He seems so much hardcore to me and the fact that there wasn't much of a study into Megatron's past life I didn't really see much of his badassery...unlike in G1, IDW, RiD and TFP. It was just the way the TFA one sort of...looked to me! Like I said, my inner perv and I guess I was bound to piss some people off. But I enjoy doing it and I'm not planning on stopping.

I like your little dit here and I appreciate what you've done. I am sorry I pissed other people off but at the end of the day he is a fictional charecter and what I do should not be taken seriously. Thanks! ^^
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spankpig Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011
You know, this was very well thought out, though there's another point I'd like to point out as well, if I may :) In TFA, Megatron doesn't seem to really give Optimus a second thought, as it wasn't until the last episode of the series where he even asks for the Prime's name - I see it more that he doesn't even acknowledge Optimus as a threat until the very end instead of being obsessed with killing him. They're still my OTP though, haha.

What sucks about a lot of fiction/art out there (for any fandom, but TF quite frequently) is that people tend to make the characters very one-dimensional, almost gimmicky. Megatron is usually made out to be an all-powerful merciless rape tyrant, Starscream is the traitorous coward sex kitten, OP is the pure hearted courageous leader, Wheeljack is the incompetent scientist who just likes to blow stuff up, yada yada. For that reason, I am extremely picky about the fanfics I peruse :B

I have to agree, I'm not fond of AutobotV's 'Megatron the Perv' series either, it seems far too out of character, bordering on the ridiculous.
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xLosersRuleTheWorldx Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Yep, I noticed that too, but I wanted to speak for all universe rather than just the Animted series. Very good point. ^^
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NiGhT-sTaLkEr13 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
People aren't born to behave like tyrants – they're made into ones.

I can't even begin to stress how much people lack the meaning of this in their art/writing. You said this damn well. I hate seeing works where people make Megatron a dirty tyrant raping bastard of a mech for no apparent reason. People NEED background for the characters actions. Otherwise, to me, it's a poorly written/drawn development and will make absolutely no sense but to satisfy the artists own needs [which isn't bad because art is free for expression]. But when it's a fic, you NEED that element, otherwise it just comes crumbling down.

I'm all for you on the whole Starscream/Megatron thing. It's a pairing that can and can't make sense, depending on the way you look at things. Personally, for me, I would rather watch Megatron beat the shit out of Starscream rather than interface with him. But I can still see where the innuendo can lay.

My OTP is actually Shockwave/Megatron. To me, this pairing just makes cannon sense. Strictly in G1 and TFA. Marvel comics don't apply to this because they clearly hated one another. But the innuendo in TFA is just... unspeakable. And Shockwave was always so loyal in both G1 and TFA. He even wishes Megatron a 'safe journey', and in 'The Ultimate Doom' he tries everything to get back into contact with him, and the utter hurt and relief in his voice is gut wrenching when he finally does get in contact. :heart:

I certainly found this an interesting 'essay' and I'm surprised that no one has actually commented on it. You've made valid points on both sides, and I really admire that. It's good to know that even though we have opinions, we can still accept others. :)
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Gatekat Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
people make Megatron a dirty tyrant raping bastard of a mech for no apparent reason

No reason? Slash or not, Megatron's canon origins in G1 more than cover it. The mech learned to fight, learned his entire current POV in the arena pits in death matches. Writers don't need to come up with an 'excuse' when they have a canon history like that sitting there.
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NiGhT-sTaLkEr13 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Where in G1 [or IDW] does he seem a rapist to you? Just curious. From a psychological point of view, I certainly can't see where they pin point a single fact that he is or was a rapist. I'm not being an arse, I actually would like to know your point of view.

In slash, I guess you can do whatever you want, lol. I'm certainly not objecting to the fact people can't portray him that way--hell, the way I write him is horrific. I'm just stating that for it to be a good fic, to ME, anyway, you have to have a background to support his psychological stance. And in G1/IDW, I can't see the back up evidence to see that he was ever a rapist. A tyrant, YES, a bastard, yes. But a rapist? There was not one sexual act he ever did in either G1 or IDW that supports this psychological evidence. But, I can also understand the fact that G1 was purely made for the younger generation in the 80's, so they couldn't actually put anything bad on the TV as violence/sexual acts were considered bad for kids.

Of course, as I said before, this doesn't mean people can not write it. I totally SUPPORT people who write it. But they have to write it well for it to make actual sense. I, myself, have portrayed him as a terrible mech, but I also gave him background before hand for his actions [before Origins and through Origin timeline].
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Gatekat Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Given sexuality of any kind wasn't in G1, of course you aren't going to find evidence of him being a rapist. But you add sexuality into the mix and look at everything else that's stated about him and it's less of a leap than him being able to love. The mech got his processor seriously focused on might makes right in all things ... just who that completely believes that, believes they are to rule everything, wouldn't view an interface/sex he wanted as something he couldn't just take?
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NiGhT-sTaLkEr13 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, rape IS an act of violence, so I can certainly see what you're saying. There is nothing 'lovable' about it. But I still think people should certainly clear things up if they are to write about it. But that's just my opinion. We all have our own. :)
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Gatekat Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
And I'm coming from the group who is probably annoying you, because I'm still really blanking on the idea that in a verse where sexuality and interfacing is common, Megatron wouldn't view it the same way he views everything else: if he can take it, it's his right to.

I guess what I'm really asking, is just what do you want 'cleared up' about it? If a story states 'Megatron raped X' ... just what is out of character given the rest of his canon background? (other than canon doesn't have 'sex' to begin with)
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NiGhT-sTaLkEr13 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, again, no one cleared anything up about if they do or do not interface [have 'sex']. So I'm not even going to get into that here, lol. But I certainly don't think you 'annoy' me with your opinion.

And what I want cleared up is the fact that... rape and murder are completely different. You can have a murdering bastard of a machine, but that doesn't instantaneously make them a rapist. Rape is an act of violence, but it's still sexual in nature. Some murderers HATE rapists, vise versa. I'm not going against what I aid before, because rape still is an act of violence, but you still have to take in that rapists and murderers have different intentions in their actions. If you look into the psychological side of things, you'd realise that background is essential.

What I want cleared up is just the background and psychological reason behind actions. You hate someone... you can kill them easily [if you're willing to take the consequences], but if you hate someone, are you going to rape them? Probably not.

If you're part of a group that is blank on interfacing, then why would you have him rape someone in the first place? Just curious. Rape is purely with violent sexual intent, meaning that interfacing would have to be involved one way or another, right? Even if it's touching or mind rape [like the styles of interfacing you told me about previously].
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Gatekat Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
It goes back to that 'if I want it and I can take it, it's my right to' view I have of his POV on life in general. It has nothing to do with willing to murder equating to willing to rape. It's about his general world view that is canon extending into what doesn't exist in canon.

If your world view can be summed up in 'if I want it, I'll take it' I have difficulty with the idea that it wouldn't extend to sex.

As for why I personally have rape in his history is because I look at his background as a slave-miner, time in the arena, the general darkness of the world he 'grew up' in, his view on life and his personal rights to anything he can take and it seems unlikely he hasn't crossed that line at least once, and probably uses it for both punishment and if he wants someone who doesn't want him.

But I'm also the one that sticks rape of several kinds as part of Jazz, Soundwave and Shockwave's interrogation system and pretty common among Cons in general. For the first group it's to break down resistance, for the second it's the same as Megatron -- they do because they want it, whether as a demonstration of power or for the sex.

I tend to have fairly dark backgrounds and settings.
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